[FX.php List] How different is FX from MySQL

Joel Shapiro jsfmp at earthlink.net
Thu Sep 11 15:54:31 MDT 2008 

Great, thanks Dale!

-Joel


On Sep 11, 2008, at 2:41 PM, Dale Bengston wrote:

> FMFind() works with MySQL simply by setting the second and third  
> parameters of your FX instantiation.
>
> $myRecs = new FX($serverIP, $port, $source);
>
> FMP:
> $port = 80;
> $source = 'FMPro7'; //or whatever
>
> MySQL:
> $port = 3306;
> $source = 'MySQL';
>
> FX does the rest. It is possible to use the other functions you  
> mentioned to construct your own SQL queries, but for basic stuff,  
> it works just like FX for FileMaker.
>
> Dale
>
> PS Learning SQL is on my list too, but fortunately I have someone  
> on my team who already knows it. Motivation is low!
>
>
> On Sep 11, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Joel Shapiro wrote:
>
>> COOOOL!!
>>
>> As someone who couldn't even qualify yet as a SQL ignoramus, I've  
>> gotta look into this...
>>
>> Dale: Do you think looking at the SQL Functions section in  
>> FXFunctions.pdf (PerformSQLQuery, SetDataKey, SetSelectColumns,  
>> SQLFuzzyKeyLogicOn) will be enough to get me started?  Will using  
>> those functions w/ FM-like FX functions allow me to do things like  
>> FMFind, FMEdit, FMNew w/ data stored in MySQL?
>>
>> (& Leo: yes, learning SQL is on my list of things to do... ah, but  
>> when? ;-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Joel
>>
>>
>> On Sep 11, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Dale Bengston wrote:
>>
>>> Correct. I am a SQL ignoramus. But FX does all that heavy lifting!
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 11, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Joel Shapiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great.  Then my next question is...
>>>>
>>>> Does using FX w/ SQL mean I don't need to learn much SQL?
>>>>
>>>> (how overly optimistic am I?)
>>>>
>>>> -Joel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 11, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Dale Bengston wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> FX also works with Postgre. And with ODBC sources as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dale
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 11, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Leo R. Lundgren wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW! Look at PostgreSQL as well. It's a /very/ competent  
>>>>>> database, and my personal preference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 11 sep 2008 kl. 20.58 skrev Dale Bengston:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A big, loud "Yes!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In fact, we have constructed our own PHP platform/framework  
>>>>>>> in such a way that we can easily toggle the data source of an  
>>>>>>> entire site from MySQL to FileMaker.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are doing far more MySQL projects than FileMaker at this  
>>>>>>> point. If we are not building into an existing FileMaker  
>>>>>>> installation, we almost always choose MySQL. It is around a  
>>>>>>> zillion times faster than dragging XML out of FileMaker.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Joel Shapiro wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Has anybody here ever used FX.php to connect to a MySQL data  
>>>>>>>> source?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris Hansen has said it's possible, and there's some basic  
>>>>>>>> documentation in FXFunctions.pdf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Joel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2008, at 10:00 AM, Michael Layne wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've spent a lot of time in both as well, and I tend to  
>>>>>>>>> agree with Derrick.  With solutions that already exist in  
>>>>>>>>> FMP, go for it with FX and get the benefit of PHP, but  
>>>>>>>>> starting from scratch (and again, if it's primarily a web- 
>>>>>>>>> based solution), I would go with MySQL every time.  As for  
>>>>>>>>> any learning curve, there is one if you've never written in  
>>>>>>>>> SQL, but there are so many examples, tutorials, even  
>>>>>>>>> frameworks to help, that your resources are virtually  
>>>>>>>>> unlimited.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On a more detailed note, you use the FX class and syntax,  
>>>>>>>>> etc. to communicate with FM, but once you get your results,  
>>>>>>>>> what you do in PHP doesn't have to be wildly different from  
>>>>>>>>> what you do after getting your results from a SQL  
>>>>>>>>> statement... 2 different queries, but I have one app that  
>>>>>>>>> uses MySQL for products, and FM for generating orders with  
>>>>>>>>> those products, sometimes all in one file.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> SQL:
>>>>>>>>> 	$q = "SELECT * FROM catalog WHERE vendor = '" . $_SESSION 
>>>>>>>>> ['vid'] . "'"; // display catalogs to begin product selection
>>>>>>>>> 	$r = mysql_query($q,$connection) or die ("Unable to  
>>>>>>>>> retrieve information from MySQL server: " . mysql_error());
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FX:
>>>>>>>>> 	$q = new FX($ip, $port);
>>>>>>>>> 	$q->SetDBData($fmdb,$lay);
>>>>>>>>> 	$q->AddDBParam('sessionID',session_id()); // grab existing  
>>>>>>>>> items from order items table
>>>>>>>>> 	$r = $q->FMFind();
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> RESULTS (FX):
>>>>>>>>> 	foreach ($r['data'] as $l) {
>>>>>>>>> 		// do something...
>>>>>>>>> 	}
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> RESULTS (MySQL):
>>>>>>>>> 	while ($l = mysql_fetch_assoc($r)) {
>>>>>>>>> 		// do something...
>>>>>>>>> 	}
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Layne  |  9 degrees development  |  9degrees.com   
>>>>>>>>> |  skype:laynebay
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2008, at 5:50 PM, Derrick Fogle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Conversely, I've had almost the opposite experience.  
>>>>>>>>>> Working with MySQL as a backend DB to PHP is extremely  
>>>>>>>>>> simple and straightforward, and there are some very robust  
>>>>>>>>>> libraries - or frameworks - for it. The only thing you  
>>>>>>>>>> lose that makes more code in PHP is the fact that the  
>>>>>>>>>> database doesn't do calculations for you. I'll take that  
>>>>>>>>>> tradeoff for the speed: MySQL is so much faster as a DB  
>>>>>>>>>> than FMP, it's hard to even come up with a figure. Think  
>>>>>>>>>> thousands of times faster, maybe more.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> FX.php is an invaluable tool and a godsend if you've  
>>>>>>>>>> already got something running in FMP and need to extend it  
>>>>>>>>>> to the web. But the code is more verbose than MySQL. And  
>>>>>>>>>> with the experience I've got in both PHP and FMP, I find  
>>>>>>>>>> it roughly equivalent to tackle a logic problem in one vs  
>>>>>>>>>> the other. Filemaker's solution always seems to be "yet  
>>>>>>>>>> another field"; PHP is a much bigger and dynamic sandbox,  
>>>>>>>>>> with some really robust functions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If I have the need for a workgroup DB that doesn't  
>>>>>>>>>> necessarily have to be web-based (i.e. everyone is on the  
>>>>>>>>>> same LAN in the same office), I'll pick FMP and extend a  
>>>>>>>>>> few small portions to the web with FX.php if needed. But  
>>>>>>>>>> if I have an application that needs to be web-based (and  
>>>>>>>>>> that means just about any geographically diverse group of  
>>>>>>>>>> users), I wouldn't even think of staring in FMP except as  
>>>>>>>>>> a modeling tool. It's just too slow, and there's that  
>>>>>>>>>> functionality "wall" you hit with FMP that just doesn't  
>>>>>>>>>> exist in a PHP/MySQL web app.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just my US $0.00...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2008, at 1:23 PM, John Funk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You do not need FX to connect to MySql.
>>>>>>>>>>> There are many sites dedicated to this. PHP and MySQL  
>>>>>>>>>>> work very well together.
>>>>>>>>>>> My 2 cents: I converted a site from MYSQL to FX/FileMaker  
>>>>>>>>>>> and the resulting code is far simpler.
>>>>>>>>>>> John Funk
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/10/08 1:13 PM, "Josh Shrier" <joshshrier at gmail.com>  
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been offered a couple of projects to do PHP with  
>>>>>>>>>>>> a MySQL database. I have become pretty fluent with FX.  
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can someone tell me what the learning curve would be  
>>>>>>>>>>>> from FX to MySQL.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh Shrier
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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