[FX.php List] Is anyone using FX.php with FMStudio

Stephen Knight stephen at fmwebschool.com
Mon Nov 27 13:20:54 MST 2006 

Hi Bob,

Yes FXForge has also advanced quite far sense its first steps into the web
publishing arena.  We've added quite a bit :)  As well as some simplified
AJAX.  Most individuals that use FXForge are still in the FileMaker 5-7
range.  http://www.fxforge.net

Yes, we are still teaching :)  We will be teaching a class at the University
of South Carolina in a couple of weeks.  

As we move forward with FMStudio I want to make sure to:

Make it easy for newbies to get started with FileMaker Web Publishing
Give them a tool that writes easy code
As they evolve the tool evolves with them
Created detailed examples and references to help each step of the way
Create rich toolsets for advanced developers

I am also wide open for suggestions from the fx.php community!

 In Kindness
Stephen K Knight
http://www.fmwebschool.com
800.353.7950 / 386.453.5843
FMWebschool, we bring the web to life 
FX.PHP PHP XML MySQL CDML ASP


-----Original Message-----
From: fx.php_list-bounces at mail.iviking.org
[mailto:fx.php_list-bounces at mail.iviking.org] On Behalf Of Bob Patin
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 1:47 PM
To: FX.php Discussion List
Subject: Re: [FX.php List] Is anyone using FX.php with FMStudio

Stephen,

Well said!

I use Dreamweaver, so I agree that one can always hand-code. I guess I
should look at FMStudio and get a feel for what it does; I have to say that
FXForge didn't do much for me, but when I tried it the app was still in its
infancy, and I'm sure it's much more robust now.

However, and this is why I feel the way the way I do:

When I tried FXForge, it generated code, and I was able to create a simple
little form. However, once I did that, I didn't have a clue about what was
going on, what any of the code meant, or how to tweak it. I still have
clients whose sites I host, who wrote their CDML using the Claris tool that
was given away way back when (I forget its name now), and never knew how to
edit anything that they'd written.  
So because they had this tool that enabled them to write code without
learning what they were writing, they never bothered to actually get in and
learn what was going on. As a result, in many cases, they had to find
someone like me to rework their sites, or else their sites stumbled along
half-built for months (if not years in some cases) working only
half-heartedly.

I know there's no comparison between FMStudio and that old CDML tool, which
was pretty lousy. I need to look at FMStudio and see; perhaps it'll save me
some time on some of the forms that I do. You guys have worked hard on it,
I'm sure, and if it weren't for your PHP in 8 Hours seminar, I might have
waited months more before diving in and learning FX.php.

By the way folks, and here's a plug that Stephen certainly didn't ask
for: if you want to learn FX.php and haven't gotten around to diving in, you
might consider FMWebSchool's 2-day seminar; it was perfect for me, got me
started in FX.php programming, and was very well done.  
Stephen, I assume you guys still offer these seminars?

Best,

Bob Patin
Longterm Solutions
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On Nov 27, 2006, at 12:32 PM, Stephen Knight wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> We certainly encourage people to learn FX.php.  Here is how  
> FMStudio can
> help, and yes you should take a look, it is completely different than
> FXForge.
>
> *  First, it enables individuals without any web knowledge to begin
> developing FileMaker web driven solutions.
> *  Second, Once you create a live data connection, you can see the  
> fields,
> layouts and tables, if I want to see how to code a field, I can  
> drag a field
> onto the template, and go to code view, and there's the code.  It  
> makes it
> very simple to learn.
> *  Third,  what if I have a database with 40 fields that need to be  
> added to
> a table.  I can just drag and drop, no worrying about cutting and  
> pasting
> and incorrectly spelling fields.  I can simply drag and drop and  
> voila, I
> know the fields are correct, and I can also automatically see my  
> data live.
> *  Fourth, Time saving options.  We added features to save time for  
> both
> novice and the professional.  You create a table, drag some fields  
> on, then
> switch to code view.  Where we have added code hinting and code  
> coloring.
> *  Fifth, This is a Dreamweaver extension so you are not at the  
> mercy of the
> plug-in.  If you want to hand code, hand code, if you want to use our
> wizards and dynamic code features you can.  The code generated is very
> simple code, and we provide all of the resources to help you along  
> the way:)
> The code written is basic FX.php code.  You are never painted into  
> a corner.
> *  Sixth, Productivity, FMStudio has enabled me and others to code  
> 30-50
> percent faster than hand coding.  I can quickly develop  
> solutions...and add
> any necessary hand coding once needed.
>
>  Just some basic thoughts.
>
>
> In Kindness
> Stephen K Knight
> http://www.fmwebschool.com
> 800.353.7950 / 386.453.5843
> FMWebschool, we bring the web to life
> FX.PHP PHP XML MySQL CDML ASP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fx.php_list-bounces at mail.iviking.org
> [mailto:fx.php_list-bounces at mail.iviking.org] On Behalf Of Bob Patin
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 1:19 PM
> To: FX.php Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [FX.php List] Is anyone using FX.php with FMStudio
>
> While I'm sure that FMStudio is useful, I tend to believe that the  
> best
> approach to writing PHP code for FileMaker is to learn the syntax  
> and write
> it for each specific need. I copy and reuse my own code all the  
> time, so I
> don't have to rewrite basic functions each time, but without  
> knowing how to
> write it from scratch, I'd be totally at the mercy of this plugin,  
> and would
> be lost when I needed some more specific functions written. I can't  
> help but
> think that there are too many times when that I've needed functions  
> on many
> of the projects I've done, that FMStudio would not be able to do.
> However, I say this without having seen FMStudio, so please correct  
> me if
> I'm wrong.
>
> When I bought FXForge, I quickly realized that I needed to learn  
> how to
> write PHP code myself, which is what I did... and certainly haven't
> regretted it.
>
> My two bits...
>
> Bob Patin
> Longterm Solutions
> bob at longtermsolutions.com
> 615-333-6858
> http://www.longtermsolutions.com
>
>    CONTACT US VIA INSTANT MESSAGING:
>       AIM or iChat: longterm1954
>       Yahoo: longterm_solutions
>       MSN: tech at longtermsolutions.com
>       ICQ: 159333060
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 27, 2006, at 12:12 PM, Jon Montgomery wrote:
>
>> I need to add that FMStudio also give you the ability to look at data
>> live in Dreamweaver.  So you can check to see how it looks before
>> going to the web.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>> On 11/27/06 12:01 PM, "Jon Montgomery"
>> <jwmontgomery at dqud300.perry.k12.il.us> wrote:
>>
>>> Phillipe and ggt,
>>>     I am using FMStudio with FX.PHP.  Ggt, FMStudio is a plug-in or
>>> extension for Dreamweaver that writes the php code for you.  After
>>> you set
>>> things up, you can drag and drop your fields and portals into your
>>> layout
>>> and FMStudio writes the code.
>>>     I have had some minor difficulties setting it up along with
>>> some of the
>>> bugs that they still had on the Mac side, but am on the third
>>> update and am
>>> very pleased and will be using it more an more on a project I am
>>> right in
>>> the middle of.
>>>     Hope this helps, I recommend FMStudio for us that are "code
>>> challenged!"
>>>
>>> Jon Montgomery
>>
>>
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