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From zippyaus at yahoo.com Fri Jun 1 02:01:04 2012 From: zippyaus at yahoo.com (Stephe Pocock) Date: Fri Jun 1 01:22:13 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] Related Data on a second server In-Reply-To: <1338194833.24830.YahooMailNeo@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <68E6B1F4-B4BC-47AC-A6C9-53AFF9F934F0@patin.com> <4FBFC013.3040901@mac.com> <36987AC0-9468-4118-94C8-8116B2E8D01F@patin.com> <9F01AE35-E8FA-4779-AF19-12AC3470ABB0@patin.com> <1338194833.24830.YahooMailNeo@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1338537664.60542.YahooMailNeo@web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> {bump} does anyone have data being displayed from two Filemaker servers?? If so, how do you do it. Thanks Stephe ________________________________ From: Stephe Pocock To: FX.php Discussion List Sent: Monday, 28 May 2012 4:47 PM Subject: [FX.php List] Related Data on a second server Hi all For performance and dependability reasons we have two Filemaker servers. On server one I have a comments database and on server two I have a contacts database. Comments display the related contact in Filemaker without and issue. If I try and display the contact details in the results returned on the comments database, I don't get a result. Is this possible using FX.php? I am trying to get the full name to return from the contacts database. Full code below. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards Stephen setDBData('Precedents.fp7','comment_web','1000'); $comments->SetDBUserPass ($webUN, $webPW); $comments->AddDBParam('Comment::resource_id',$resourceId); $commentsResult=$comments->FMFind(); //foreach ($commentsResult['data'] as $key => $comment) ?> Precedents ???

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_______________________________________________ FX.php_List mailing list FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20120601/e5f10f2a/attachment-0001.html From steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz Fri Jun 1 02:13:33 2012 From: steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz (Steve Winter) Date: Fri Jun 1 01:34:45 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] Related Data on a second server In-Reply-To: <1338537664.60542.YahooMailNeo@web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <68E6B1F4-B4BC-47AC-A6C9-53AFF9F934F0@patin.com> <4FBFC013.3040901@mac.com> <36987AC0-9468-4118-94C8-8116B2E8D01F@patin.com> <9F01AE35-E8FA-4779-AF19-12AC3470ABB0@patin.com> <1338194833.24830.YahooMailNeo@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1338537664.60542.YahooMailNeo@web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <451949EF-57F8-4D26-804D-578AE8BDE4D6@bluecrocodile.co.nz> Hi Stephe include_once("FX/FX.php"); include_once("FX/server_data.php"); include_once("FX/FMErrors.php"); $resourceId=$_REQUEST['resourceId']; $resourceType=$_REQUEST['resourceType']; $comments=new FX($serverIPONE, $webCompanionPort,'FMPro7'); $comments->setDBData('Precedents.fp7','comment_web','1000'); $comments->SetDBUserPass ($webUN, $webPW); $comments->AddDBParam('Comment::resource_id',$resourceId); $commentsResult=$comments->FMFind(); $otherComments=new FX($serverIPTWO, $webCompanionPort,'FMPro7'); $otherComments->setDBData('Precedents.fp7','comment_web','1000'); $otherComments->SetDBUserPass ($webUN, $webPW); $otherComments->AddDBParam('Comment::resource_id',$resourceId); $otherCommentsResult=$otherComments->FMFind(); You now have two results, one from each of two servers and can process them with PHP as you see fit. I would advise against doing an array_merge of the two results sets, since it's quite possible that the FM allocated -recid values could of two records from each machine could be the same? I've done this several times in the past, even (in the olden days) pulling data from FM6 and FM8 for display in the same web page? HTH Cheers Steve > {bump} does anyone have data being displayed from two Filemaker servers? If so, how do you do it. > > Thanks > > Stephe > > From: Stephe Pocock > To: FX.php Discussion List > Sent: Monday, 28 May 2012 4:47 PM > Subject: [FX.php List] Related Data on a second server > > Hi all > > For performance and dependability reasons we have two Filemaker servers. > > On server one I have a comments database and on server two I have a contacts database. > > Comments display the related contact in Filemaker without and issue. > > If I try and display the contact details in the results returned on the comments database, I don't get a result. > > Is this possible using FX.php? > > I am trying to get the full name to return from the contacts database. > > Full code below. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Regards > > Stephen > > > include_once("FX/FX.php"); > > include_once("FX/server_data.php"); > include_once("FX/FMErrors.php"); > > $resourceId=$_REQUEST['resourceId']; > $resourceType=$_REQUEST['resourceType']; > > $comments=new FX($serverIP,$webCompanionPort,'FMPro7'); > > $comments->setDBData('Precedents.fp7','comment_web','1000'); > $comments->SetDBUserPass ($webUN, $webPW); > > $comments->AddDBParam('Comment::resource_id',$resourceId); > $commentsResult=$comments->FMFind(); > //foreach ($commentsResult['data'] as $key => $comment) > > ?> > if($commentsResult['foundCount'] == 0){ > echo 'resource id'; > include_once("includes/error.php"); > } > else{?> > > > Precedents > > >

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> > > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list Steve Winter +44 777 852 4776 steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20120601/2acb985e/attachment.html From steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz Fri Jun 1 02:27:53 2012 From: steve at bluecrocodile.co.nz (Steve Winter) Date: Fri Jun 1 01:49:05 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] Related Data on a second server In-Reply-To: <451949EF-57F8-4D26-804D-578AE8BDE4D6@bluecrocodile.co.nz> References: <68E6B1F4-B4BC-47AC-A6C9-53AFF9F934F0@patin.com> <4FBFC013.3040901@mac.com> <36987AC0-9468-4118-94C8-8116B2E8D01F@patin.com> <9F01AE35-E8FA-4779-AF19-12AC3470ABB0@patin.com> <1338194833.24830.YahooMailNeo@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1338537664.60542.YahooMailNeo@web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <451949EF-57F8-4D26-804D-578AE8BDE4D6@bluecrocodile.co.nz> Message-ID: <7428F020-49DD-4257-A6B4-DDEACB9EA972@bluecrocodile.co.nz> > $comments->setDBData('Precedents.fp7','comment_web','1000'); PS, do you know that you can use the word 'all' instead of 1000, if the point of using 1000 was to make sure you got them all?? Steve Winter +44 777 852 4776 steve@bluecrocodile.co.nz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20120601/d56b3f69/attachment.html From bob at patin.com Fri Jun 1 10:28:41 2012 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Fri Jun 1 09:50:49 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] Data source type In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmm, didn't know that; I've always thought I needed the extension there. On May 31, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Kevin Futter wrote: > Bob, it's best not to use a file extension on database calls at all. It still works, as the FileMaker server knows which database you're after without being supplied the file extension, and this immunises you against future changes to the file extension. So, just simply "database" will do. > > Also, for those of us who use a single instance of FX to pull data from multiple databases, storing their references outside the query isn't practical. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20120601/459d3243/attachment.html From dale.bengston at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 10:40:50 2012 From: dale.bengston at gmail.com (Dale Bengston) Date: Fri Jun 1 10:01:58 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] Data source type In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <5751B503-4191-42A6-B777-773892AF70A1@gmail.com> Me either, Bob. Ya learn something new every day! Dale On Jun 1, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Bob Patin wrote: > Hmm, didn't know that; I've always thought I needed the extension there. > > On May 31, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Kevin Futter wrote: > >> Bob, it's best not to use a file extension on database calls at all. It still works, as the FileMaker server knows which database you're after without being supplied the file extension, and this immunises you against future changes to the file extension. So, just simply "database" will do. >> >> Also, for those of us who use a single instance of FX to pull data from multiple databases, storing their references outside the query isn't practical. >> > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20120601/edab6dcd/attachment.html From jschwartz at exit445.com Mon Jun 4 16:29:44 2012 From: jschwartz at exit445.com (Jonathan Schwartz) Date: Mon Jun 4 15:52:11 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] Amazon Elastic Load Balancing implementation? Message-ID: Hi Folks, I just wanted to check with the experts before replying back to a client about their inquiry. A client is running a couple of FMS 12 servers at Amazon Web Services (AWS) for Web Publishing. To accommodate spikes in web publishing demands, a suggestion has been made to employ Amazon Elastic Load Balancing (ELB) to dynamically adjust the number of server instances that are available to provide web services. In theory, this would spawn additional clones of a FileMaker Web Publishing environment on an as-needed basis. While this might work in a pure html environment or even a MySQL environment, I don't see how this would work in a FileMaker Server environment. At the very least, it would seem to violate FMS licensing. I could not find any discussions on the net. Any advise from this group? Thanks Jonathan -- Jonathan Schwartz Exit 445 Group jonathan@exit445.com http://www.exit445.com 415-370-5011 From adenman at tmea.org Mon Jun 4 17:23:14 2012 From: adenman at tmea.org (Andrew Denman) Date: Mon Jun 4 16:44:06 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] Amazon Elastic Load Balancing implementation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jonathan, I don't think it is possible to provision FileMaker assets this way because, as I understand it, the WPE to FileMaker relationship is 1:1. You can't have multiple FileMaker servers use one WPE nor one FileMaker server using multiple WPEs. You could load balance the web server if you separate FileMaker and the WPE from the public web server (2/3 server setup: Web > FileMaker/WPE or Web > WPE > FileMaker). Andrew Denman -----Original Message----- From: fx.php_list-bounces@mail.iviking.org [mailto:fx.php_list-bounces@mail.iviking.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schwartz Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 5:30 PM To: fx.php_list@mail.iviking.org Subject: [FX.php List] Amazon Elastic Load Balancing implementation? Hi Folks, I just wanted to check with the experts before replying back to a client about their inquiry. A client is running a couple of FMS 12 servers at Amazon Web Services (AWS) for Web Publishing. To accommodate spikes in web publishing demands, a suggestion has been made to employ Amazon Elastic Load Balancing (ELB) to dynamically adjust the number of server instances that are available to provide web services. In theory, this would spawn additional clones of a FileMaker Web Publishing environment on an as-needed basis. While this might work in a pure html environment or even a MySQL environment, I don't see how this would work in a FileMaker Server environment. At the very least, it would seem to violate FMS licensing. I could not find any discussions on the net. Any advise from this group? Thanks Jonathan -- Jonathan Schwartz Exit 445 Group jonathan@exit445.com http://www.exit445.com 415-370-5011 _______________________________________________ FX.php_List mailing list FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From jschwartz at exit445.com Mon Jun 4 17:41:56 2012 From: jschwartz at exit445.com (Jonathan Schwartz) Date: Mon Jun 4 17:02:53 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] Amazon Elastic Load Balancing implementation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Andrew, Some additional info after talking with the client... They already have two FMS licences. They would add a third to be able to have three complete servers (assume single machine deployment for this discussion) available to be put online. The purpose is NOT pay for cloud servers when they are not needed. Apparently, the system is set up as separate servers (each with lic number), and then the ELB automatically spins up the extra server(s) as needed. With this in mind, now I don't see a reason why it *wouldn't* work....other then the need to get the new server sync'ed up before being able to go online. Jonathan At 11:23 PM +0000 6/4/12, Andrew Denman wrote: >Jonathan, > >I don't think it is possible to provision FileMaker assets this way >because, as I understand it, the WPE to FileMaker relationship is >1:1. You can't have multiple FileMaker servers use one WPE nor one >FileMaker server using multiple WPEs. > >You could load balance the web server if you separate FileMaker and >the WPE from the public web server (2/3 server setup: Web > >FileMaker/WPE or Web > WPE > FileMaker). > >Andrew Denman > > >-----Original Message----- >From: fx.php_list-bounces@mail.iviking.org >[mailto:fx.php_list-bounces@mail.iviking.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan >Schwartz >Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 5:30 PM >To: fx.php_list@mail.iviking.org >Subject: [FX.php List] Amazon Elastic Load Balancing implementation? > >Hi Folks, > >I just wanted to check with the experts before replying back to a >client about their inquiry. > >A client is running a couple of FMS 12 servers at Amazon Web >Services (AWS) for Web Publishing. To accommodate spikes in web >publishing demands, a suggestion has been made to employ Amazon >Elastic Load Balancing (ELB) to dynamically adjust the number of >server instances that are available to provide web services. In >theory, this would spawn additional clones of a FileMaker Web >Publishing environment on an as-needed basis. > >While this might work in a pure html environment or even a MySQL >environment, I don't see how this would work in a FileMaker Server >environment. At the very least, it would seem to violate FMS >licensing. > >I could not find any discussions on the net. Any advise from this group? > >Thanks > >Jonathan >-- >Jonathan Schwartz >Exit 445 Group >jonathan@exit445.com >http://www.exit445.com >415-370-5011 >_______________________________________________ >FX.php_List mailing list >FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >_______________________________________________ >FX.php_List mailing list >FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -- Jonathan Schwartz Exit 445 Group jonathan@exit445.com http://www.exit445.com 415-370-5011 From bob at patin.com Mon Jun 4 17:52:21 2012 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Mon Jun 4 17:12:54 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] Amazon Elastic Load Balancing implementation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D7A29E3-0E30-4143-96A8-DA3E35891D41@patin.com> Andrew's exactly right; a WPE can ONLY be connected to a single FileMaker server. However, what you *can* do is to use the same WPE from other web servers. I've done that for years with one client who has his own web server hosted with us; his web app runs on his web server, but it accesses FileMaker Server through a WPE on another machine. Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC P.O. Box 3408 Brentwood, TN 37024 bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com iChat: bobpatin AIM: longterm1954 Twitter: bobpatin Google+: http://www.longtermsolutions.com/plus -- FileMaker 9, 10 & 11 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance and FileMaker TechNet -- FileMaker hosting and consulting for all versions of FileMaker PHP ? Full email services ? Free DNS hosting ? Colocation ? Consulting On Jun 4, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Andrew Denman wrote: > I don't think it is possible to provision FileMaker assets this way because, as I understand it, the WPE to FileMaker relationship is 1:1. You can't have multiple FileMaker servers use one WPE nor one FileMaker server using multiple WPEs. > > You could load balance the web server if you separate FileMaker and the WPE from the public web server (2/3 server setup: Web > FileMaker/WPE or Web > WPE > FileMaker). From bob at patin.com Thu Jun 14 12:53:01 2012 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Thu Jun 14 12:14:15 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Looking for information about load-balancing Message-ID: <845AB0F1-3D27-420A-89C4-E1B1E550BB36@patin.com> I have a large client to whom I lease servers; they've expressed concern about what might happen if a catastrophic outage were to occur at my hosting company here--if, for example, the phone lines citywide went down, taking out all Internet connections for the city or the region. I mentioned a load-balancing system to them, but don't have much knowledge about how they work, the cost involved, etc. My suggestion to them was for us to possibly have a redundant system in a 2nd location somewhere in the US, and use a load-balancing system to roll their site to the second host if any failure should occur. If anyone has information about this, I would appreciate hearing about it; there may be others interested on this forum, so replying in the forum might be useful. Thanks, Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com FileMaker 9, 10 & 11 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance and FileMaker TechNet -- Twitter: bobpatin Google+: http://www.longtermsolutions.com/plus AIM: longterm1954 iChat: bobpatin -- Expert FileMaker Consulting FileMaker Hosting for all versions of FileMaker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20120614/6ab609c2/attachment.html From whatdoyouwant at gmail.com Thu Jun 14 16:08:28 2012 From: whatdoyouwant at gmail.com (Nick) Date: Thu Jun 14 15:28:41 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Looking for information about load-balancing In-Reply-To: <845AB0F1-3D27-420A-89C4-E1B1E550BB36@patin.com> References: <845AB0F1-3D27-420A-89C4-E1B1E550BB36@patin.com> Message-ID: The cheapest solution is to just run backup jobs and (s)ftp them away to that other location regularly. Have additional filemaker server software loaded and ready to turn on if needed... but regardless it will be a small hassle. There are also solutions like these (but seem to be designed to work on LANs only): http://www.neverfailgroup.com/solutions/high-availability.html I saw them mentioned on http://www.hostfilemaker.com/Custom when I was looking for this... I was at a filemaker developer convention in 2008 and I think they may be the same company that was there, but not sure. On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Bob Patin wrote: > I have a large client to whom I lease servers; they've expressed concern > about what might happen if a catastrophic outage were to occur at my > hosting company here--if, for example, the phone lines citywide went down, > taking out all Internet connections for the city or the region. > > I mentioned a load-balancing system to them, but don't have much knowledge > about how they work, the cost involved, etc. My suggestion to them was for > us to possibly have a redundant system in a 2nd location somewhere in the > US, and use a load-balancing system to roll their site to the second host > if any failure should occur. > > If anyone has information about this, I would appreciate hearing about it; > there may be others interested on this forum, so replying in the forum > might be useful. > > Thanks, > > Bob Patin > Longterm Solutions LLC > bob@longtermsolutions.com > 615-333-6858 > http://www.longtermsolutions.com > FileMaker 9, 10 & 11 Certified Developer > Member of FileMaker Business Alliance and FileMaker TechNet > -- > Twitter: bobpatin > Google+: http://www.longtermsolutions.com/plus > AIM: longterm1954 > iChat: bobpatin > -- > Expert FileMaker Consulting > FileMaker Hosting for all versions of FileMaker > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20120614/e176c1c9/attachment.html From bob at patin.com Thu Jun 14 16:15:50 2012 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Thu Jun 14 15:37:01 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Looking for information about load-balancing In-Reply-To: References: <845AB0F1-3D27-420A-89C4-E1B1E550BB36@patin.com> Message-ID: <8A0366A2-190E-44E2-A23E-2961C98ED707@patin.com> Thanks, but that doesn't solve what I need. I have a ton of FileMaker Server machines here, so that's not the issue; the issue is that they want zero downtime, and their website includes literally millions of static HTML pages (the reason is complicated); although it's a FileMaker-powered site, the biggest issue is that their site itself involves somewhere between 2-3 million HTML pages. The biggest issue isn't so much hardware or software, but the possibility of a region-wide Internet outage, for which no amount of server room prevention can remedy. In that case, it could be hours before service is restored, as was the case when someone cut a huge trunk line in the South somewhere, cutting Internet service for several states for quite some time (fortunately I wasn't part of that outage). Because they can't tolerate even a half-hour outage, I'm searching for a device that would roll them to another server pair in another location in the US; it'll mean their maintaining 2 sets of HTML files, but they're wanting it, so i'm trying to find it... Thanks, Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com FileMaker 9, 10 & 11 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance and FileMaker TechNet -- Twitter: bobpatin Google+: http://www.longtermsolutions.com/plus AIM: longterm1954 iChat: bobpatin -- Expert FileMaker Consulting FileMaker Hosting for all versions of FileMaker On Jun 14, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Nick wrote: > The cheapest solution is to just run backup jobs and (s)ftp them away to that other location regularly. Have additional filemaker server software loaded and ready to turn on if needed... but regardless it will be a small hassle. > > There are also solutions like these (but seem to be designed to work on LANs only): > http://www.neverfailgroup.com/solutions/high-availability.html > I saw them mentioned on http://www.hostfilemaker.com/Custom when I was looking for this... > I was at a filemaker developer convention in 2008 and I think they may be the same company that was there, but not sure. > > On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Bob Patin wrote: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20120614/1ba24a74/attachment-0001.html From dsomar at gmail.com Thu Jun 14 19:40:58 2012 From: dsomar at gmail.com (Denis Somar) Date: Thu Jun 14 19:01:30 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Looking for information about load-balancing In-Reply-To: <8A0366A2-190E-44E2-A23E-2961C98ED707@patin.com> References: <845AB0F1-3D27-420A-89C4-E1B1E550BB36@patin.com> <8A0366A2-190E-44E2-A23E-2961C98ED707@patin.com> Message-ID: Your solution would be a content delivery network. Especially if it's only static html pages. My gut answer is to set this up on Amazon's AWS servers somehow, and maybe even install FileMaker at Amazon as well. HTH, Denis On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Bob Patin wrote: > Thanks, but that doesn't solve what I need. > > I have a ton of FileMaker Server machines here, so that's not the issue; > the issue is that they want zero downtime, and their website includes > literally millions of static HTML pages (the reason is complicated); > although it's a FileMaker-powered site, the biggest issue is that their > site itself involves somewhere between 2-3 million HTML pages. > > The biggest issue isn't so much hardware or software, but the possibility > of a region-wide Internet outage, for which no amount of server room > prevention can remedy. In that case, it could be hours before service is > restored, as was the case when someone cut a huge trunk line in the South > somewhere, cutting Internet service for several states for quite some time > (fortunately I wasn't part of that outage). > > Because they can't tolerate even a half-hour outage, I'm searching for a > device that would roll them to another server pair in another location in > the US; it'll mean their maintaining 2 sets of HTML files, but they're > wanting it, so i'm trying to find it... > > Thanks, > > Bob Patin > Longterm Solutions LLC > bob@longtermsolutions.com > 615-333-6858 > http://www.longtermsolutions.com > FileMaker 9, 10 & 11 Certified Developer > Member of FileMaker Business Alliance and FileMaker TechNet > -- > Twitter: bobpatin > Google+: http://www.longtermsolutions.com/plus > AIM: longterm1954 > iChat: bobpatin > -- > Expert FileMaker Consulting > FileMaker Hosting for all versions of FileMaker > > > > > > On Jun 14, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Nick wrote: > > The cheapest solution is to just run backup jobs and (s)ftp them away to > that other location regularly. Have additional filemaker server software > loaded and ready to turn on if needed... but regardless it will be a small > hassle. > > There are also solutions like these (but seem to be designed to work on > LANs only): > http://www.neverfailgroup.com/solutions/high-availability.html > I saw them mentioned on http://www.hostfilemaker.com/Custom when I was > looking for this... > I was at a filemaker developer convention in 2008 and I think they may be > the same company that was there, but not sure. > > On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Bob Patin wrote: > >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20120614/b8ee9cab/attachment.html From info at longtermsolutions.com Thu Jun 14 12:46:51 2012 From: info at longtermsolutions.com (Longterm Solutions) Date: Thu Jun 14 21:57:58 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Looking for information about a load-balancing system Message-ID: <677D8277-A898-47BB-9757-3D328E4C370F@longtermsolutions.com> I have a large client to whom I lease servers; they've expressed concern about what might happen if a catastrophic outage were to occur at my hosting company here--if, for example, the phone lines citywide went down, taking out all Internet connections for the city or the region. I mentioned a load-balancing system to them, but don't have much knowledge about how they work, the cost involved, etc. My suggestion to them was for us to possibly have a redundant system in a 2nd location somewhere in the US, and use a load-balancing system to roll their site to the second host if any failure should occur. If anyone has information about this, I would appreciate hearing about it; there may be others interested on this forum, so replying in the forum might be useful. Thanks, Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com FileMaker 9, 10 & 11 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance and FileMaker TechNet -- Twitter: bobpatin Google+: http://www.longtermsolutions.com/plus AIM: longterm1954 iChat: bobpatin -- Expert FileMaker Consulting FileMaker Hosting for all versions of FileMaker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20120614/ce7d882c/attachment.html From jschwartz at exit445.com Thu Jun 14 22:59:06 2012 From: jschwartz at exit445.com (Jonathan Schwartz) Date: Thu Jun 14 22:22:51 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Looking for information about load-balancing In-Reply-To: References: <845AB0F1-3D27-420A-89C4-E1B1E550BB36@patin.com> <8A0366A2-190E-44E2-A23E-2961C98ED707@patin.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, FYI, I recently set up a client with FMP Web Publishing at Amazon Web Services (AWS) and am about to try out their Elastic Load Balancing (ELB) service. The service monitors the health of each server and automatically switches on new instances when needed...at least in theory. I'll keep you posted. Jonathan At 9:40 PM -0400 6/14/12, Denis Somar wrote: >Your solution would be a content delivery network. Especially if >it's only static html pages. My gut answer is to set this up on >Amazon's AWS servers somehow, and maybe even install FileMaker at >Amazon as well. > >HTH, >Denis > >On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Bob Patin ><bob@patin.com> wrote: > >Thanks, but that doesn't solve what I need. > >I have a ton of FileMaker Server machines here, so that's not the >issue; the issue is that they want zero downtime, and their website >includes literally millions of static HTML pages (the reason is >complicated); although it's a FileMaker-powered site, the biggest >issue is that their site itself involves somewhere between 2-3 >million HTML pages. > >The biggest issue isn't so much hardware or software, but the >possibility of a region-wide Internet outage, for which no amount of >server room prevention can remedy. In that case, it could be hours >before service is restored, as was the case when someone cut a huge >trunk line in the South somewhere, cutting Internet service for >several states for quite some time (fortunately I wasn't part of >that outage). > >Because they can't tolerate even a half-hour outage, I'm searching >for a device that would roll them to another server pair in another >location in the US; it'll mean their maintaining 2 sets of HTML >files, but they're wanting it, so i'm trying to find it... > >Thanks, > >Bob Patin >Longterm Solutions LLC >bob@longtermsolutions.com >615-333-6858 >http://www.longtermsolutions.com >FileMaker 9, 10 & 11 Certified Developer >Member of FileMaker Business Alliance and FileMaker TechNet >-- >Twitter: bobpatin >Google+: >http://www.longtermsolutions.com/plus >AIM: longterm1954 >iChat: bobpatin >-- >Expert FileMaker Consulting >FileMaker Hosting for all versions of FileMaker > > > > > >On Jun 14, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Nick wrote: > >>The cheapest solution is to just run backup jobs and (s)ftp them >>away to that other location regularly. Have additional filemaker >>server software loaded and ready to turn on if needed... but >>regardless it will be a small hassle. > >There are also solutions like these (but seem to be designed to work >on LANs only): >http://www.neverfailgroup.com/solutions/high-availability.html >I saw them mentioned >on http://www.hostfilemaker.com/Custom when >I was looking for this... >I was at a filemaker developer convention in 2008 and I think they >may be the same company that was there, but not sure. > >On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Bob >Patin <bob@patin.com> wrote: > > > > >_______________________________________________ >FX.php_List mailing list >FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > > >_______________________________________________ >FX.php_List mailing list >FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -- Jonathan Schwartz Exit 445 Group jonathan@exit445.com http://www.exit445.com 415-370-5011 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20120614/88c4c16e/attachment.html From bob at patin.com Fri Jun 15 07:59:06 2012 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Fri Jun 15 07:20:16 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Looking for information about load-balancing In-Reply-To: References: <845AB0F1-3D27-420A-89C4-E1B1E550BB36@patin.com> <8A0366A2-190E-44E2-A23E-2961C98ED707@patin.com> Message-ID: <77DA18C7-9C90-47CE-9108-42A4BF027365@patin.com> Amazon offers FileMaker web publishing? I'm surprised... they have the WPE running there? I don't want to lose my client though; I assume that I couldn't use Amazon for the redundant location, I'd have to put this client there completely, right? BP Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com FileMaker 9, 10 & 11 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance and FileMaker TechNet -- Twitter: bobpatin Google+: http://www.longtermsolutions.com/plus AIM: longterm1954 iChat: bobpatin -- Expert FileMaker Consulting FileMaker Hosting for all versions of FileMaker On Jun 14, 2012, at 11:59 PM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > FYI, I recently set up a client with FMP Web Publishing at Amazon Web Services (AWS) and am about to try out their Elastic Load Balancing (ELB) service. The service monitors the health of each server and automatically switches on new instances when needed...at least in theory. > > I'll keep you posted. > > Jonathan From dsomar at gmail.com Fri Jun 15 08:11:19 2012 From: dsomar at gmail.com (Denis Somar) Date: Fri Jun 15 07:31:48 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Looking for information about load-balancing In-Reply-To: <77DA18C7-9C90-47CE-9108-42A4BF027365@patin.com> References: <845AB0F1-3D27-420A-89C4-E1B1E550BB36@patin.com> <8A0366A2-190E-44E2-A23E-2961C98ED707@patin.com> <77DA18C7-9C90-47CE-9108-42A4BF027365@patin.com> Message-ID: No they have their virtualized versions of OSes called EC2 if I'm not mistaken and you can install your FileMaker server license/copy on that instance and/or have multiple instances On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Bob Patin wrote: > Amazon offers FileMaker web publishing? I'm surprised... they have the WPE > running there? > > I don't want to lose my client though; I assume that I couldn't use Amazon > for the redundant location, I'd have to put this client there completely, > right? > > BP > > Bob Patin > Longterm Solutions LLC > bob@longtermsolutions.com > 615-333-6858 > http://www.longtermsolutions.com > FileMaker 9, 10 & 11 Certified Developer > Member of FileMaker Business Alliance and FileMaker TechNet > -- > Twitter: bobpatin > Google+: http://www.longtermsolutions.com/plus > AIM: longterm1954 > iChat: bobpatin > -- > Expert FileMaker Consulting > FileMaker Hosting for all versions of FileMaker > > On Jun 14, 2012, at 11:59 PM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > > > FYI, I recently set up a client with FMP Web Publishing at Amazon Web > Services (AWS) and am about to try out their Elastic Load Balancing (ELB) > service. The service monitors the health of each server and automatically > switches on new instances when needed...at least in theory. > > > > I'll keep you posted. > > > > Jonathan > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20120615/826c9ede/attachment.html From bfr at nwlink.com Thu Jun 14 23:52:18 2012 From: bfr at nwlink.com (Bruce Robertson) Date: Fri Jun 15 07:52:32 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Looking for information about load-balancing In-Reply-To: References: <845AB0F1-3D27-420A-89C4-E1B1E550BB36@patin.com> <8A0366A2-190E-44E2-A23E-2961C98ED707@patin.com> Message-ID: Can you describe that a little more - how to set up FileMaker Server on Amazon?? Bruce Robertson On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > Hi Bob, > > FYI, I recently set up a client with FMP Web Publishing at Amazon Web Services (AWS) and am about to try out their Elastic Load Balancing (ELB) service. The service monitors the health of each server and automatically switches on new instances when needed...at least in theory. > > I'll keep you posted. > > Jonathan > From chris at iViking.org Fri Jun 15 08:38:41 2012 From: chris at iViking.org (Chris Hansen) Date: Fri Jun 15 07:57:27 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Looking for information about load-balancing In-Reply-To: <77DA18C7-9C90-47CE-9108-42A4BF027365@patin.com> References: <845AB0F1-3D27-420A-89C4-E1B1E550BB36@patin.com> <8A0366A2-190E-44E2-A23E-2961C98ED707@patin.com> <77DA18C7-9C90-47CE-9108-42A4BF027365@patin.com> Message-ID: Sorry to jump in, but I'm getting this idea, and I like it. Amazon Web Services in this case would be your server infrastructure, not the host. You'd have to put your own copies of the relevant software on a Windows EC2 instance and go from there. As mentioned before, the static content could be stored on S3. All kinds of options really. You could get instances on the East and West Coast and there's your load balancing. Cool. --Chris On Jun 15, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Bob Patin wrote: > Amazon offers FileMaker web publishing? I'm surprised... they have the WPE running there? > > I don't want to lose my client though; I assume that I couldn't use Amazon for the redundant location, I'd have to put this client there completely, right? > > BP > > Bob Patin > Longterm Solutions LLC > bob@longtermsolutions.com > 615-333-6858 > http://www.longtermsolutions.com > FileMaker 9, 10 & 11 Certified Developer > Member of FileMaker Business Alliance and FileMaker TechNet > -- > Twitter: bobpatin > Google+: http://www.longtermsolutions.com/plus > AIM: longterm1954 > iChat: bobpatin > -- > Expert FileMaker Consulting > FileMaker Hosting for all versions of FileMaker > > On Jun 14, 2012, at 11:59 PM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > >> FYI, I recently set up a client with FMP Web Publishing at Amazon Web Services (AWS) and am about to try out their Elastic Load Balancing (ELB) service. The service monitors the health of each server and automatically switches on new instances when needed...at least in theory. >> >> I'll keep you posted. >> >> Jonathan > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > From jschwartz at exit445.com Fri Jun 15 09:23:24 2012 From: jschwartz at exit445.com (Jonathan Schwartz) Date: Fri Jun 15 08:44:06 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Looking for information about load-balancing In-Reply-To: References: <845AB0F1-3D27-420A-89C4-E1B1E550BB36@patin.com> <8A0366A2-190E-44E2-A23E-2961C98ED707@patin.com> <77DA18C7-9C90-47CE-9108-42A4BF027365@patin.com> Message-ID: <6A4391A5-D5CE-480D-A046-95F8E03A331A@exit445.com> Yup, that's pretty much it. Although, I'm not sure if you have control over location. It's in the "cloud". Jonathan Schwartz Exit 445 Group 415-370-5011 On Jun 15, 2012, at 7:38 AM, Chris Hansen wrote: > Sorry to jump in, but I'm getting this idea, and I like it. Amazon Web Services in this case would be your server infrastructure, not the host. You'd have to put your own copies of the relevant software on a Windows EC2 instance and go from there. As mentioned before, the static content could be stored on S3. All kinds of options really. You could get instances on the East and West Coast and there's your load balancing. Cool. > > --Chris > > On Jun 15, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Bob Patin wrote: > >> Amazon offers FileMaker web publishing? I'm surprised... they have the WPE running there? >> >> I don't want to lose my client though; I assume that I couldn't use Amazon for the redundant location, I'd have to put this client there completely, right? >> >> BP >> >> Bob Patin >> Longterm Solutions LLC >> bob@longtermsolutions.com >> 615-333-6858 >> http://www.longtermsolutions.com >> FileMaker 9, 10 & 11 Certified Developer >> Member of FileMaker Business Alliance and FileMaker TechNet >> -- >> Twitter: bobpatin >> Google+: http://www.longtermsolutions.com/plus >> AIM: longterm1954 >> iChat: bobpatin >> -- >> Expert FileMaker Consulting >> FileMaker Hosting for all versions of FileMaker >> >> On Jun 14, 2012, at 11:59 PM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: >> >>> FYI, I recently set up a client with FMP Web Publishing at Amazon Web Services (AWS) and am about to try out their Elastic Load Balancing (ELB) service. The service monitors the health of each server and automatically switches on new instances when needed...at least in theory. >>> >>> I'll keep you posted. >>> >>> Jonathan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >> > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From dsomar at gmail.com Fri Jun 15 09:48:49 2012 From: dsomar at gmail.com (Denis Somar) Date: Fri Jun 15 09:09:18 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Looking for information about load-balancing In-Reply-To: <6A4391A5-D5CE-480D-A046-95F8E03A331A@exit445.com> References: <845AB0F1-3D27-420A-89C4-E1B1E550BB36@patin.com> <8A0366A2-190E-44E2-A23E-2961C98ED707@patin.com> <77DA18C7-9C90-47CE-9108-42A4BF027365@patin.com> <6A4391A5-D5CE-480D-A046-95F8E03A331A@exit445.com> Message-ID: There are different versions of Amazon's cloud - hence why Netflix's streaming service stayed up while the NE centers for Amazon went down sometime last year or two. It's obviously more expensive as far as I know. On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > Yup, that's pretty much it. Although, I'm not sure if you have control > over location. It's in the "cloud". > > Jonathan Schwartz > Exit 445 Group > 415-370-5011 > > On Jun 15, 2012, at 7:38 AM, Chris Hansen wrote: > > > Sorry to jump in, but I'm getting this idea, and I like it. Amazon Web > Services in this case would be your server infrastructure, not the host. > You'd have to put your own copies of the relevant software on a Windows > EC2 instance and go from there. As mentioned before, the static content > could be stored on S3. All kinds of options really. You could get > instances on the East and West Coast and there's your load balancing. Cool. > > > > --Chris > > > > On Jun 15, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Bob Patin wrote: > > > >> Amazon offers FileMaker web publishing? I'm surprised... they have the > WPE running there? > >> > >> I don't want to lose my client though; I assume that I couldn't use > Amazon for the redundant location, I'd have to put this client there > completely, right? > >> > >> BP > >> > >> Bob Patin > >> Longterm Solutions LLC > >> bob@longtermsolutions.com > >> 615-333-6858 > >> http://www.longtermsolutions.com > >> FileMaker 9, 10 & 11 Certified Developer > >> Member of FileMaker Business Alliance and FileMaker TechNet > >> -- > >> Twitter: bobpatin > >> Google+: http://www.longtermsolutions.com/plus > >> AIM: longterm1954 > >> iChat: bobpatin > >> -- > >> Expert FileMaker Consulting > >> FileMaker Hosting for all versions of FileMaker > >> > >> On Jun 14, 2012, at 11:59 PM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > >> > >>> FYI, I recently set up a client with FMP Web Publishing at Amazon Web > Services (AWS) and am about to try out their Elastic Load Balancing (ELB) > service. The service monitors the health of each server and automatically > switches on new instances when needed...at least in theory. > >>> > >>> I'll keep you posted. > >>> > >>> Jonathan > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> FX.php_List mailing list > >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > FX.php_List mailing list > > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20120615/6046fbd7/attachment.html From jschwartz at exit445.com Fri Jun 15 12:31:39 2012 From: jschwartz at exit445.com (Jonathan Schwartz) Date: Fri Jun 15 11:54:28 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Looking for information about a load-balancing system In-Reply-To: <677D8277-A898-47BB-9757-3D328E4C370F@longtermsolutions.com> References: <677D8277-A898-47BB-9757-3D328E4C370F@longtermsolutions.com> Message-ID: Bob, So the goal is 100% uptime and to keep the serving business in-house, eh? I have used a DNS failover service from DNSMadeEasy.com, although other firms offer the same service. Your DNS is managed by the firm who polls the availability of the target servers. If one server goes offline, it switched to the other. Two issues: how long does it take to detect the downed server? Their web site says 2-4 minutes. That is not 100% uptime. Also, you would have to have a server running somewhere else, probably at a colo facility. You can still consider it your servers. Hey, here's an idea...you can run your secondary on my servers and I can run my secondary on yours. Jonathan At 1:46 PM -0500 6/14/12, Longterm Solutions wrote: >I have a large client to whom I lease servers; they've expressed >concern about what might happen if a catastrophic outage were to >occur at my hosting company here--if, for example, the phone lines >citywide went down, taking out all Internet connections for the city >or the region. > >I mentioned a load-balancing system to them, but don't have much >knowledge about how they work, the cost involved, etc. My suggestion >to them was for us to possibly have a redundant system in a 2nd >location somewhere in the US, and use a load-balancing system to >roll their site to the second host if any failure should occur. > >If anyone has information about this, I would appreciate hearing >about it; there may be others interested on this forum, so replying >in the forum might be useful. > >Thanks, > -- Jonathan Schwartz Exit 445 Group jonathan@exit445.com http://www.exit445.com 415-370-5011 From bob at patin.com Fri Jun 15 13:25:58 2012 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Fri Jun 15 12:47:08 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Looking for information about a load-balancing system In-Reply-To: References: <677D8277-A898-47BB-9757-3D328E4C370F@longtermsolutions.com> Message-ID: <6FF26D05-F768-4F47-BF6A-EC3C8E39ACA6@patin.com> On Jun 15, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > Bob, > > So the goal is 100% uptime and to keep the serving business in-house, eh? Well, pretty much; my plan is to put the redundant system with another company somewhere on the left coast... some lesser host... :) > > I have used a DNS failover service from DNSMadeEasy.com, although > other firms offer the same service. Your DNS is managed by the firm > who polls the availability of the target servers. If one server goes > offline, it switched to the other. Well, that's really all I need then; I'll check into it. > > Two issues: how long does it take to detect the downed server? Their > web site says 2-4 minutes. Good enough for these guys though... > That is not 100% uptime. Also, you would > have to have a server running somewhere else, probably at a colo > facility. You can still consider it your servers. > > Hey, here's an idea...you can run your secondary on my servers and I > can run my secondary on yours. What kind of bandwidth do you have? They have about 3 million static HTML pages; the guy uses Apple Remote to update his pages, but I don't know if another host will let him do that (he leases these machines from me). Let's talk offline, maybe we can work something out. BP Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com FileMaker 9, 10 & 11 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance and FileMaker TechNet -- Twitter: bobpatin Google+: http://www.longtermsolutions.com/plus AIM: longterm1954 iChat: bobpatin -- Expert FileMaker Consulting FileMaker Hosting for all versions of FileMaker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: I don't know if it's still relevant, but a few yrs ago Don Levan did an un-conference at DevCon on installing FMS on Amazon, and apparently also at POE: http://pauseonerror.pbworks.com/w/page/14902715/FileMaker%20Sever%20on%20Amazon%20EC2 Best, -Joel On Jun 14, 2012, at 10:52 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote: > Can you describe that a little more - how to set up FileMaker Server on Amazon?? > > Bruce Robertson > > On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > >> Hi Bob, >> >> FYI, I recently set up a client with FMP Web Publishing at Amazon Web Services (AWS) and am about to try out their Elastic Load Balancing (ELB) service. The service monitors the health of each server and automatically switches on new instances when needed...at least in theory. >> >> I'll keep you posted. >> >> Jonathan >> > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From jmaymailing at pointinspace.com Fri Jun 15 14:27:19 2012 From: jmaymailing at pointinspace.com (John May) Date: Fri Jun 15 13:47:27 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Looking for information about a load-balancing system In-Reply-To: References: <677D8277-A898-47BB-9757-3D328E4C370F@longtermsolutions.com> Message-ID: <4FDB9AA7.7000908@pointinspace.com> Note that DNS failover isn't fullproof, as some ISPs (read AOL) do not respect the TTL settings in DNS servers and can take up to 24 hours to refresh their caches. - John On 6/15/12 2:31 PM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > Bob, > > So the goal is 100% uptime and to keep the serving business in-house, eh? > > I have used a DNS failover service from DNSMadeEasy.com, although other > firms offer the same service. Your DNS is managed by the firm who polls > the availability of the target servers. If one server goes offline, it > switched to the other. > > Two issues: how long does it take to detect the downed server? Their web > site says 2-4 minutes. That is not 100% uptime. Also, you would have to > have a server running somewhere else, probably at a colo facility. You > can still consider it your servers. > > Hey, here's an idea...you can run your secondary on my servers and I can > run my secondary on yours. > > Jonathan > > > At 1:46 PM -0500 6/14/12, Longterm Solutions wrote: >> I have a large client to whom I lease servers; they've expressed >> concern about what might happen if a catastrophic outage were to occur >> at my hosting company here--if, for example, the phone lines citywide >> went down, taking out all Internet connections for the city or the >> region. >> >> I mentioned a load-balancing system to them, but don't have much >> knowledge about how they work, the cost involved, etc. My suggestion >> to them was for us to possibly have a redundant system in a 2nd >> location somewhere in the US, and use a load-balancing system to roll >> their site to the second host if any failure should occur. >> If anyone has information about this, I would appreciate hearing about >> it; there may be others interested on this forum, so replying in the >> forum might be useful. >> >> Thanks, >> -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- John May : President http://www.pointinspace.com/ Point In Space Internet Solutions 800.664.8610 919.338.8198 Professional FileMaker Pro, MySQL, PHP & Lasso Hosting on shared, virtual and hardware dedicated servers From bob at patin.com Fri Jun 15 14:43:42 2012 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Fri Jun 15 14:04:50 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Looking for information about a load-balancing system In-Reply-To: <4FDB9AA7.7000908@pointinspace.com> References: <677D8277-A898-47BB-9757-3D328E4C370F@longtermsolutions.com> <4FDB9AA7.7000908@pointinspace.com> Message-ID: Ouch... that sucks then. What I think I had found a couple of years ago was a machine that would relay an incoming request to a 2nd server, without actually doing any DNS magic, and the user can't tell the difference. The thing is that this happens so rarely that I can't imagine why this client is even fretting... but who am I to question, I suppose... :) Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com FileMaker 9, 10 & 11 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance and FileMaker TechNet -- Twitter: bobpatin Google+: http://www.longtermsolutions.com/plus AIM: longterm1954 iChat: bobpatin -- Expert FileMaker Consulting FileMaker Hosting for all versions of FileMaker On Jun 15, 2012, at 3:27 PM, John May wrote: > Note that DNS failover isn't fullproof, as some ISPs (read AOL) do not respect the TTL settings in DNS servers and can take up to 24 hours to refresh their caches. > > - John > From bob at patin.com Fri Jun 15 15:01:11 2012 From: bob at patin.com (Bob Patin) Date: Fri Jun 15 14:22:19 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Looking for information about load-balancing In-Reply-To: References: <845AB0F1-3D27-420A-89C4-E1B1E550BB36@patin.com> <8A0366A2-190E-44E2-A23E-2961C98ED707@patin.com>

Message-ID: <01358C10-8D7D-4948-8777-BADAD8FF56A3@patin.com> I don't think I'd take them down that path... with all the files they put up, it'd be a nightmare for them. Because of the way my client generates these reports, it would be too slow to do it dynamically in FileMaker; he tells me that the script he uses takes something like 8 minutes to generate one multi-page report. So that's why I eventually wrote a parser in Visual Basic that takes his outputted reports, makes HTML files out of them, and then they take those and upload them to the server. Tedious, clunky, but the web app queries are super-fast because the reports aren't rendered in realtime. But it means that they have this humongous pile of HTML files, which live on a huge RAID device. So in an ideal world, I'd find them a host who will give them the same access to the server that they have here, and I'm sure that'd NEVER happen at a colo like Amazon. I did find a device called the JetNEXUS that I've requested more info on... Bob Patin Longterm Solutions LLC bob@longtermsolutions.com 615-333-6858 http://www.longtermsolutions.com FileMaker 9, 10 & 11 Certified Developer Member of FileMaker Business Alliance and FileMaker TechNet -- Twitter: bobpatin Google+: http://www.longtermsolutions.com/plus AIM: longterm1954 iChat: bobpatin -- Expert FileMaker Consulting FileMaker Hosting for all versions of FileMaker On Jun 15, 2012, at 3:22 PM, Joel Shapiro wrote: > I don't know if it's still relevant, but a few yrs ago Don Levan did an un-conference at DevCon on installing FMS on Amazon, and apparently also at POE: > > http://pauseonerror.pbworks.com/w/page/14902715/FileMaker%20Sever%20on%20Amazon%20EC2 > > Best, > -Joel > > > On Jun 14, 2012, at 10:52 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote: > >> Can you describe that a little more - how to set up FileMaker Server on Amazon?? >> >> Bruce Robertson >> >> On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: >> >>> Hi Bob, >>> >>> FYI, I recently set up a client with FMP Web Publishing at Amazon Web Services (AWS) and am about to try out their Elastic Load Balancing (ELB) service. The service monitors the health of each server and automatically switches on new instances when needed...at least in theory. >>> >>> I'll keep you posted. >>> >>> Jonathan >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list From chris at iViking.org Fri Jun 15 17:37:45 2012 From: chris at iViking.org (Chris Hansen) Date: Fri Jun 15 16:56:29 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Looking for information about load-balancing In-Reply-To: <01358C10-8D7D-4948-8777-BADAD8FF56A3@patin.com> References: <845AB0F1-3D27-420A-89C4-E1B1E550BB36@patin.com> <8A0366A2-190E-44E2-A23E-2961C98ED707@patin.com>

<01358C10-8D7D-4948-8777-BADAD8FF56A3@patin.com> Message-ID: <01CD52E5-8DE1-4A0D-9921-75E008CA0A31@iViking.org> Mmmm, I wouldn't worry about that part so much. With Amazon, basically you're getting a blank slate virtual server -- you can set up access any way that you want (of course you want to be smart with that kind of power =) So yes, I'm quite sure you can set them up with lots of access. --Chris On Jun 15, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Bob Patin wrote: > So in an ideal world, I'd find them a host who will give them the same access to the server that they have here, and I'm sure that'd NEVER happen at a colo like Amazon. From chris at iViking.org Fri Jun 15 17:44:25 2012 From: chris at iViking.org (Chris Hansen) Date: Fri Jun 15 17:03:08 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Looking for information about load-balancing In-Reply-To: <6A4391A5-D5CE-480D-A046-95F8E03A331A@exit445.com> References: <845AB0F1-3D27-420A-89C4-E1B1E550BB36@patin.com> <8A0366A2-190E-44E2-A23E-2961C98ED707@patin.com> <77DA18C7-9C90-47CE-9108-42A4BF027365@patin.com> <6A4391A5-D5CE-480D-A046-95F8E03A331A@exit445.com> Message-ID: Yes, you do have control over the location. When setting up an EC2 instance, you specify where you want the server to be (in terms of a specific data center). Then you could use something like their load balancing service to handle fail-over, etc. that ISN'T happening on the DNS side: http://aws.amazon.com/elasticloadbalancing/ HTH --Chris On Jun 15, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: > Yup, that's pretty much it. Although, I'm not sure if you have control over location. It's in the "cloud". > > Jonathan Schwartz > Exit 445 Group > 415-370-5011 > > On Jun 15, 2012, at 7:38 AM, Chris Hansen wrote: > >> Sorry to jump in, but I'm getting this idea, and I like it. Amazon Web Services in this case would be your server infrastructure, not the host. You'd have to put your own copies of the relevant software on a Windows EC2 instance and go from there. As mentioned before, the static content could be stored on S3. All kinds of options really. You could get instances on the East and West Coast and there's your load balancing. Cool. >> >> --Chris >> >> On Jun 15, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Bob Patin wrote: >> >>> Amazon offers FileMaker web publishing? I'm surprised... they have the WPE running there? >>> >>> I don't want to lose my client though; I assume that I couldn't use Amazon for the redundant location, I'd have to put this client there completely, right? >>> >>> BP >>> >>> Bob Patin >>> Longterm Solutions LLC >>> bob@longtermsolutions.com >>> 615-333-6858 >>> http://www.longtermsolutions.com >>> FileMaker 9, 10 & 11 Certified Developer >>> Member of FileMaker Business Alliance and FileMaker TechNet >>> -- >>> Twitter: bobpatin >>> Google+: http://www.longtermsolutions.com/plus >>> AIM: longterm1954 >>> iChat: bobpatin >>> -- >>> Expert FileMaker Consulting >>> FileMaker Hosting for all versions of FileMaker >>> >>> On Jun 14, 2012, at 11:59 PM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote: >>> >>>> FYI, I recently set up a client with FMP Web Publishing at Amazon Web Services (AWS) and am about to try out their Elastic Load Balancing (ELB) service. The service monitors the health of each server and automatically switches on new instances when needed...at least in theory. >>>> >>>> I'll keep you posted. >>>> >>>> Jonathan >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FX.php_List mailing list >>> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >>> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FX.php_List mailing list >> FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >> http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list > From jschwartz at exit445.com Sat Jun 16 15:50:00 2012 From: jschwartz at exit445.com (Jonathan Schwartz) Date: Sat Jun 16 15:13:00 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] FaceBook Connect Message-ID: Hi Folks, Looking forward to seeing a lot of you in Miami next month. ;-) Here's a new one... A client has asked me to deploy a FaceBook login on the web project we are developing...in addition to the standard login we already have in place.. After a day or two, I figured out the technical component of this request: I have a Facebook login button on the site and it does in fact allow a user to log using a Facebook dialog, returning the available Facebook user info in an array. Great. My question is...how is this best implemented with an existing login process? I suppose that this is the same question as if I were to use OpenID ...which I haven't used either. Anyone been down this road before? Thanks Jonathan -- Jonathan Schwartz Exit 445 Group jonathan@exit445.com http://www.exit445.com 415-370-5011 From tim.webko at gmail.com Sat Jun 16 17:08:49 2012 From: tim.webko at gmail.com (Tim 'Webko' Booth) Date: Sat Jun 16 16:28:57 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] FaceBook Connect In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Jonathan, > > Here's a new one... > > A client has asked me to deploy a FaceBook login on the web project > we are developing...in addition to the standard login we already > have in place.. After a day or two, I figured out the technical > component of this request: I have a Facebook login button on the > site and it does in fact allow a user to log using a Facebook > dialog, returning the available Facebook user info in an array. > > Great. > > My question is...how is this best implemented with an existing login > process? I suppose that this is the same question as if I were to > use OpenID ...which I haven't used either. > > Anyone been down this road before? Yeah, I've got a system where there can be three different ways of logging in. You need *something* that is known to the FileMaker system as well that is passed back by FaceBook. You then use a page that sets the session variables the same as your FileMaker system would for a login, and all the subsequent pages should work as normal. In my case, there is a StudentID that all three relevant systems know about, so I can use that as a key for each of them when they hit the FM based pages... Cheers Webko From jschwartz at exit445.com Sat Jun 16 18:25:37 2012 From: jschwartz at exit445.com (Jonathan Schwartz) Date: Sat Jun 16 17:47:55 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] FaceBook Connect In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: OK. That makes sense. In order to keep things straight, I guess that the system has to keep track of which method was used to log in and then allow user access to edit login credentials as appropriate. For instance, If a person logged in from Facebook, then there would be no login credentials stored in FMP....unless a further step was taken to request additional info. I think I get it. Jonathan At 9:08 AM +1000 6/17/12, Tim 'Webko' Booth wrote: >Dear Jonathan, >> >>Here's a new one... >> >>A client has asked me to deploy a FaceBook login on the web project >>we are developing...in addition to the standard login we already >>have in place.. After a day or two, I figured out the technical >>component of this request: I have a Facebook login button on the >>site and it does in fact allow a user to log using a Facebook >>dialog, returning the available Facebook user info in an array. >> >>Great. >> >>My question is...how is this best implemented with an existing >>login process? I suppose that this is the same question as if I >>were to use OpenID ...which I haven't used either. >> >>Anyone been down this road before? > >Yeah, I've got a system where there can be three different ways of >logging in. You need *something* that is known to the FileMaker >system as well that is passed back by FaceBook. You then use a page >that sets the session variables the same as your FileMaker system >would for a login, and all the subsequent pages should work as >normal. > >In my case, there is a StudentID that all three relevant systems >know about, so I can use that as a key for each of them when they >hit the FM based pages... > >Cheers > >Webko >_______________________________________________ >FX.php_List mailing list >FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org >http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -- Jonathan Schwartz Exit 445 Group jonathan@exit445.com http://www.exit445.com 415-370-5011 From tony_white at twdesigns.com Sun Jun 17 11:27:49 2012 From: tony_white at twdesigns.com (Tony White) Date: Sun Jun 17 10:47:50 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] [OFF] Looking for information about load-balancing In-Reply-To: <845AB0F1-3D27-420A-89C4-E1B1E550BB36@patin.com> Message-ID: We recently went live on a FileMaker <-> Web using External SQL Data Sources (ESS) project http://www.twdesigns.com/development/past_projects/filemaker_web_using_exter nal_sql_data_sources_ess.php Here are my thoughts on the Amazon Web Services (AWS) platform They give you lots of different infrastructure pieces (filtered for your project) that you can put together (from the docs): * Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud (Amazon EC2) * Amazon Simple Storage Service (Amazon S3) * Amazon Virtual Private Cloud (Amazon VPC) * Amazon CloudFront * Amazon Route 53 Here from the Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud User Guide * Amazon Machine Images and Instances * Regions and Availability Zones * Amazon EBS Volumes * Networking and Security * Monitoring, Auto Scaling, and Load Balancing (page 9) * etc. I would up reading about 1,000 pages of Amazon user guide and white pages. There was a lot of stuff that was new to me. I just sent you 2 of the intro PDFs back channel. Here are the Amazon EC2 Getting Started Guide and the Amazon EC2 User Guide http://aws.amazon.com/documentation/ec2/ Amazon Web Services provides the bare bones infrastructure. The paid support answered 2 of 3 questions and refused to answer the 3rd question saying that they only support the bare bones infrastructure. The support (paid and free) in general was slower to respond than advertised. Hope that helps. Good luck. All the best, Tony White Tony White Designs, Inc. Tel: 718-797-4175 tony_white@twdesigns.com http://www.twdesigns.com On 6/14/12 2:53 PM, "Bob Patin" wrote: > I have a large client to whom I lease servers; they've expressed concern about > what might happen if a catastrophic outage were to occur at my hosting company > here--if, for example, the phone lines citywide went down, taking out all > Internet connections for the city or the region. > > I mentioned a load-balancing system to them, but don't have much knowledge > about how they work, the cost involved, etc. My suggestion to them was for us > to possibly have a redundant system in a 2nd location somewhere in the US, and > use a load-balancing system to roll their site to the second host if any > failure should occur. > > If anyone has information about this, I would appreciate hearing about it; > there may be others interested on this forum, so replying in the forum might > be useful. > > Thanks, > > Bob Patin > Longterm Solutions LLC > bob@longtermsolutions.com > 615-333-6858 > http://www.longtermsolutions.com > FileMaker 9, 10 & 11 Certified Developer > Member of FileMaker Business Alliance and FileMaker TechNet > -- > Twitter: bobpatin > Google+: http://www.longtermsolutions.com/plus > AIM: longterm1954 > iChat: bobpatin > -- > Expert FileMaker Consulting > FileMaker Hosting for all versions of FileMaker > > _______________________________________________ > FX.php_List mailing list > FX.php_List@mail.iviking.org > http://www.iviking.org/mailman/listinfo/fx.php_list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.iviking.org/pipermail/fx.php_list/attachments/20120617/e89f5158/attachment.html From tony_white at twdesigns.com Sun Jun 17 11:37:25 2012 From: tony_white at twdesigns.com (Tony White) Date: Sun Jun 17 10:57:34 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] Amazon Elastic Load Balancing implementation? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You might want to google "amazon web service outage" Here from Amazon was educational Summary of the Amazon EC2 and Amazon RDS Service Disruption in the US East Region http://aws.amazon.com/message/65648/ There are regions and zones. if I recall correctly, zones seem to be in the same data center (the docs are somewhat opaque on this), so you might want to take that into consideration in your risk management strategy. Good luck. All the best, Tony White Tony White Designs, Inc. Tel: 718-797-4175 tony_white@twdesigns.com http://www.twdesigns.com On 6/4/12 6:29 PM, "Jonathan Schwartz" wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I just wanted to check with the experts before replying back to a > client about their inquiry. > > A client is running a couple of FMS 12 servers at Amazon Web > Services (AWS) for Web Publishing. To accommodate spikes in web > publishing demands, a suggestion has been made to employ Amazon > Elastic Load Balancing (ELB) to dynamically adjust the number of > server instances that are available to provide web services. In > theory, this would spawn additional clones of a FileMaker Web > Publishing environment on an as-needed basis. > > While this might work in a pure html environment or even a MySQL > environment, I don't see how this would work in a FileMaker Server > environment. At the very least, it would seem to violate FMS > licensing. > > I could not find any discussions on the net. Any advise from this group? > > Thanks > > Jonathan From tcmeyers at troymeyers.com Sat Jun 23 10:28:14 2012 From: tcmeyers at troymeyers.com (Troy Meyers) Date: Sat Jun 23 09:48:26 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] [Probably OFF] What happened to my $_POST array? Message-ID: A user just complained of getting an error message when trying to get to a page for uploading photos. In checking, I see that no one has uploaded any photos since 5/31/2012. I'm guessing everyone has been having the problem, but not speaking up, probably because they assumed it was another instance of my FileMaker Server 12 issues cropping up. In checking on it I see what is happening, but I don't understand it, since it had been working for years. The problem is that the button to get to the page includes: ...so that at the destination page I'm expecting a value for this: $_POST['Account ID'] And, apparently until about 6/1/2012, I've been getting that. But now, that array element shows up as this instead: $_POST['Account_ID'] so of course all of my code that looks for $_POST['Account ID'] fails. Is there some setting that I've accidentally changed that turns spaces into underscores when the $_POST array is reported? -Troy From pvanbuskirk at fsu.edu Sat Jun 23 11:10:16 2012 From: pvanbuskirk at fsu.edu (VanBuskirk, Patricia) Date: Sat Jun 23 10:29:57 2012 Subject: [FX.php List] Form not seeing database (XPOST) Message-ID: <7731A5AA5FC88D48831221524FB9D89017B184@fsu-exch-nwr03.fsu.edu> I have had to re-setup our web server and FM server. The databases are hosted and open, and have all the correct web settings and were previously working fine (just copied to a backup folder prior to the maintenance work and copied back when completed). The forms contain dropdown lists that pull in from the database(s) that will not work now. Does anyone have an idea for why this stopped working? Here's an example of the code in the form. The form stops at that point ... doesn't show the dropdown info, and also doesn't show any more of the form. I tried replacing the line that requires the server_data.php file with the actual lines from that file, but that didn't work either. SetDBData('Dept_Directory', 'SG_SectionsLIST', 'all'); //$ordersQuery->SetDBData('WEB_Forms', 'SG_Sections', 'all'); // set database username and password $ordersQuery->SetDBUserPass(FM_USERNAME, FM_PASSWORD); // retrieve all records in this database available to the current user $ordersQuery->AddSortParam('ListForWeb', 'ascend'); $orders = $ordersQuery->DoFXAction(FX_ACTION_FINDALL); echo "