[FX.php List] [Ann] FileMaker Shopping Cart Extravaganza

Tue Jul 24 11:27:01 MDT 2007

I for one don't mind having an email come into my inbox asking to  
look at a new product. In fact I LOVE IT, when a company or the like  
produces new and exciting things Filemaker related, I want to hear  
about it. I signed up for this list many years ago and value the  
(ANN) posts as much as I value what I learn from the community. Also  
(ANN) posts come from many different organisations, if we are going  
to start flaming then lets have a go at them all not just single out.

Here is a tip - IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HIT DELETE.

Please keep the (ANN) posts coming Steven Knight, Chris Hansen, Chris  
Kubicia, John May, Nicholas Orr, Robert Pikous, Todd Geist, Howard  
Schlossberg, Danny Mack, David Kachel and the many others. I am  
certain they are appreciated by most on the list.

Regards,

Michael Mcdonnagh

On 24 Jul 2007, at 17:53, Stephen Knight wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> My reply was not nasty, I was simply asking for a more substantial
> explanation as I honestly did not understand Gjermunds post.  (Well  
> if this
> list ever becomes moderated, I assume you will have the credit for  
> such a
> demand, Mr. Knight...) It was a bit cryptic, and I was just  
> clarifying my
> reasoning for my previous post.  No one is questioning the value of  
> FX.php
> and the community.  I did receive(in no way was it polite, I was  
> rather
> suprised)Chris's email, and did not post again on the topic except  
> to better
> explain my reasons for my post.
>
> I am not going to engage in any type of online flame war, I think  
> that they
> are extremely damaging and unnecessary.  I apologize to everyone if  
> you were
> offended by my Post asking for the community to join in helping us  
> create a
> shopping cart system.
>
> A community is a great place to help create great resources for  
> everyone,
> and pulling the community together for their expertise is a great  
> way to
> develop some amazing resources.  There is a great new book named  
> the "Wisdom
> of Crowds" and they spoke of how to work with the community to  
> create better
> products and tools.  I created the Wiki and had hoped to have a  
> wonderful
> group of PHP developers take a look and to make comments, and  
> suggestions.
> No trickery, no smoke and mirrors.
>
> I'm not going to post anymore on this topic, because it is actually  
> quite
> simple, and my reason behind the post is quite simple...there was  
> nothing
> cruel, or rude intended in any way.  The Wiki, is open to everyone,  
> and all
> of our intentions and comments are clearly wide open and transparent.
>
> I will continue to talk to the community about ways create new  
> resources for
> the web, but I will make sure those request are not posted here.  I  
> wish
> Chris and others well in all of their endeavors.
>
>
> In Kindness
> Stephen K Knight
> http://www.fmwebschool.com
> 800.353.7950 / 386.453.5843
> FMWebschool, we bring the web to life
> FX.PHP PHP XML MySQL CDML ASP Custom Plug-in Development
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fx.php_list-bounces at mail.iviking.org
> [mailto:fx.php_list-bounces at mail.iviking.org] On Behalf Of Chris  
> Hansen
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:32 PM
> To: FX.php Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [FX.php List] [Ann] FileMaker Shopping Cart Extravaganza
>
> On Jul 24, 2007, at 7:54 AM, Stephen Knight wrote:
>> We are here for the good of the community, and that offends some
>> people...
>
> List (and especially Stephen),
>
> I am not going to tolerate this sort of thing.  Anyone reading this  
> comment,
> and thinking logically will recognize that this remark is pure  
> poison.  NO
> ONE is offended by those who work "for the good of the community."   
> Your
> insinuations are abhorrent.  And worse still, this was in response  
> to a
> couple folks on the list saying (in short) that they didn't  
> appreciate this
> sort of off-topic, commercial post.
>
> FX.php is an open source project, and as such this entire list is  
> working
> for the good of the community.  In fact, when it comes to the  
> materials that
> are distributed with the official FX.php distribution, fmwebschool  
> is a tiny
> contributor (one bug found, and no code
> submitted.)  Compare that to one of the supposedly "offended".
> Gjermund has contributed a huge amount to this tool and I can't say  
> enough
> how grateful I am for all of his help and contributions.  I'd  
> encourage
> anyone who uses FX.php to take a look at CHANGES.txt from time to  
> time, just
> to get a feel for how many people have given for the public good.
>
> I had contacted Stephen back channel and let him know that his  
> original post
> was not really appropriate -- this is a targeted list, with low, but
> relevant traffic.  For that matter, I have contacted people back  
> channel in
> the past with requests to tone things down, etc.  This is the first  
> time
> there has been a subsequent -- and rather nasty -- follow-up post  
> to the
> list.  In kindness?!?
>
> I have stated before how amazed I am by all of the good that comes  
> from this
> list.  Lots of folks post here, and the fact is that I learn things  
> from the
> posts to this list.  Generally, I'd say the members of this list  
> don't have
> any problem recognizing appropriate content.  And even the odd  
> commercial
> posts tend to be very relevant (I believe a hosting related  
> announcement was
> the most recent example of this.)  Of course the occasional off- 
> topic post
> is fine, but this
> list isn't the place for general FileMaker product announcements.
> When in doubt, ask me; that's partly what I'm here for.  But again,  
> this
> hasn't been much of a problem in the past so I'm not expecting a  
> plethora of
> related emails =)
>
> Please don't post any more responses to this thread on the list.  Any
> further related discussions need to be back channel.  Thanks again for
> everything!  Best,
>
> --Chris Hansen
>    FileMaker 8 Certified Developer
>    FileMaker 7 Certified Developer
>    Creator of FX.php
>    "The best way from FileMaker to the Web."
>    www.iViking.org
>
>
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