[FX.php List] Web traffic versus native FileMaker use

Jonathan Schwartz jschwartz at exit445.com
Thu May 6 14:26:08 MDT 2010

Good point.

Second server IS the answer if the problem is resolved.  If the 
problem remains, that leaves local network and Internet 
connection....again...variables that are outside of my control.

FYI...I wear one hat for this client: to create and maintain a 100% 
uptime web site driven on FileMaker data.  It is becoming more and 
more apparent that the system must be isolated to help assure that 


At 2:36 PM -0500 5/6/10, Dale Bengston wrote:
>Hmm, not sure if new hardware is really the answer. Is this always 
>at the same time of day, or does it vary? Is there some other source 
>of network traffic that's causing delays in web traffic?
>On May 6, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Jonathan Schwartz wrote:
>>  Dale,
>>  Thx for your input.
>>  My online system performs perfectly for a good part of the day.  I 
>>have some pretty extensive logging and use one particular frequent 
>>operation as a baseline. It takes 0.1 second each time. This rules 
>>out problems with the web operation.  On the other hand, I can 
>>confirm that the native FileMaker system has tons of calculated 
>>summary fields and filtered portals...the kind that you have to sit 
>>and wait for....under the domain of a different developer.  So, it 
>>is safe to conclude that the native system bogs down under load.
>>  That being established, the question is how much can I expect from 
>>the online system if the native system has these issues?  Throwing 
>>big iron at it (2 machine deployment) didn't solve the problem. The 
>>degradation is a sudden one from baseline 0.1 seconds to 30 seconds 
>>for a couple of minutes and then back down again.  All the while, 
>>the Windows Task manager practically shows a picture of the machine 
>>  It could be sorting. It could be a script. It could be summarizing 
>>in native mode....or all three. I have no control over any of these.
>>  It looks like I'm talking myself into a new piece of hardware. ;-)
>>  Jonathan
>>  At 1:48 PM -0500 5/6/10, Dale Bengston wrote:
>>>  Hi Jonathan,
>>>  I'll bite. This happened to me when I put a web UI on another 
>>>developer's FMP client/server installation. Creation of an order 
>>>line item started to take longer and longer, until the point of 
>>>absurdity. I finally traced it to some calc fields used by the 
>>>client/server UI, that summarized data. (Running totals, etc.) In 
>>>the client/server environment, values of constants/global fields 
>>>made sure those line items were only summarized for the current 
>>>found set (i.e. the invoice you were viewing). But on the web, the 
>>>entire table was getting summarized. Once the number of line items 
>>>got in the thousands, web performance went into the tank. This 
>>>problem did not manifest itself during testing, when there were 
>>>just a few test invoices at any given time. Note that these fields 
>>>were not on any layouts used by the web. They were calculated on 
>>>record creation.
>>>  My problem was based on volume of records, rather than time of 
>>>day, but maybe my experience will help you triangulate. Does your 
>>>performance get better with fewer clients logged in? What kind of 
>>>ongoing client/server scripts are running, even when clients are 
>>>  Hope this helps,
>>>  Dale
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