[FX.php List] [XPOST]Any interest in using FX.php withFileMaker4.1?

Fri Jul 14 03:14:03 MDT 2006

It's not about you Stephen, it's about the list, we would like the
list to be free from market fundamentalism; such as using this list as
a sales venue...

And it's not about apologies, it's about modus operandi and deeds.

Gjermund

On 7/14/06, Stephen  Knight <stephen at fmwebschool.com> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> Interesting.  The true issue was that I accidentally described a solution
> incorrectly.
> I apologized to the list and to you for this.  Everyone makes mistakes, I am
> truly sorry for your intollerance.  Not sure how many times you would like
> me to apologize....?
>
> As for your other assumptions, I do not even feel like I need to address
> them in a public forum. If you have a problem with the way that we conduct
> our business, please feel free to contact me via phone or email.  There are
> no victories to be won by attacking another developer...and I am truly sorry
> you feel that you must do this.
>
>
> In Kindness
> Stephen K Knight
> http://www.fmwebschool.com
> 800.353.7950 / 386.453.5843
> FMWebschool, we bring the web to life
> FX.PHP PHP XML MySQL CDML ASP
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fx.php_list-bounces at mail.iviking.org
> [mailto:fx.php_list-bounces at mail.iviking.org] On Behalf Of Chris Hansen
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 5:53 PM
> To: FX.php Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [FX.php List] [XPOST]Any interest in using FX.php
> withFileMaker4.1?
>
> Stephen,
>
> Thank you for acknowledging that your description of your new product was in
> error, and clarifying it's role.  That said, you seem to have difficulty in
> accepting complete responsibility.  In your original post, you said "I have
> just finished writing an FX.php class the allows you to use FX.php with
> FileMaker 4.1".  There was no mention that this constituted a completely new
> product.  There was no mention of a product name, except FX.php.  And, as
> you made this announcement to public forums, it was necessary to make a
> public correction.  I appreciate that it is difficult to take a public
> drubbing, but you made an egregious public error.  How would FMI react if
> you announced (however erroneously) that you were releasing a new version of
> FileMaker?
>
> Imagine another situation:  you are the owner of some land in the mountains.
> Over time, people cut across your land to get from one public road to
> another.  If you do nothing about this, eventually this becomes a public
> right-of-way and you cannot refuse access to it.  Now you've acknowledged
> that your post implied an error, and I hope you'll also acknowledge that it
> was necessary to publicly post a "no trespassing" response in order to
> ensure that there was no misunderstanding as to the legality of the use
> described (as opposed to the intent.)  I'm glad that it was not actually
> your intent to hijack FX.php, but I'm sure that you can see that your
> initial post was far from clear on this.
>
> That said, I am not trying to start a battle of one-upmanship which neither
> side would win.  My statement of comparative hours spent was in relation to
> follow-up post that you sent only to the FX.php mailing list, and was made
> in the context already stated (interested parties may view the archives of
> the FX.php mailing list for full
> context.)
>
> I must apologize for my mistake with regards to the necessity of entering
> personal information on your site.  I was basing my
> assumption on my experiences with a previous iteration of your site.
> I am very gratified that all of this information is now optional.  On the
> other hand, it is customary on web sites to indicate which information on a
> form is optional in order to minimize user frustration.
>
> Also, I stand by my statement that your download page does not indicate that
> "FX.php can be downloaded elsewhere".  The URL that you provided is not your
> download page, nor is it the URL of the download form.  Rather, it is a
> product specific page, which is not even on the first page of hits for
> Google search on "filemaker php" (quotes omitted).  Considering how many of
> your products depend on FX.php, I'm surprised at the paucity of links or
> even references to it's official site.  After all, iviking.org is a
> non-profit site, not your competitor.  And as a result, regardless of intent
> (which cannot be gauged), the fact remains that your site leads some people
> to believe that FMWebschool is responsible for FX.php, rather than a major
> beneficiary thereof.
>
> Finally, I would call your attention to the fact that in my initial post I
> apologized for the tone of my email, and also stated my reasons for feeling
> it necessary.  Had you given more thought to your initial email, or really
> read my response, the subsequent exchange would have been unnecessary.
> Sarcasm may be an attractive way to respond, but it doesn't change the fact
> that you can't put the genie back in the bottle (or retract an erroneous
> email once you hit "send".)
>
> Sincerely,
>
> --Chris Hansen
>    FileMaker 7 Certified Developer
>    Creator of FX.php
>    "The best way from FileMaker to the Web."
>    www.iViking.org
>
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